Comments on: PHP vs. Ruby http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/ the philosophy of technology Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:23:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-beta2-9582 hourly 1 By: new_boy http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-8211 new_boy Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:34:51 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-8211 I find that you can create customise solutions with PHP to different types of applications apart form the standard shopping cart, blog, forums, forms etc... that are provided by most MVCs like Rails, some can even write accounting tools with PHP, such complexity can only be achieved with people with experience in their fields who calls for customised applications that cannot be modified from off the shelf MVCs, it is simply too overwhleming for any MVC tools to provide solution for everything, if the latter being possible, I suppose the person who creates the MVC need to be a GURU in every field :) I find that you can create customise solutions with PHP to different types of applications apart form the standard shopping cart, blog, forums, forms etc… that are provided by most MVCs like Rails, some can even write accounting tools with PHP, such complexity can only be achieved with people with experience in their fields who calls for customised applications that cannot be modified from off the shelf MVCs, it is simply too overwhleming for any MVC tools to provide solution for everything, if the latter being possible, I suppose the person who creates the MVC need to be a GURU in every field :)

]]> By: cute_gutsy2000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-4090 cute_gutsy2000 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 13:53:27 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-4090 Why you always compare between PHP and Ruby ... They are both excellent in Web programming. It is up to you guys which is the two web programming language you like and comfortable most. Thanks .... Why you always compare between PHP and Ruby … They are both excellent in Web programming. It is up to you guys which is the two web programming language you like and comfortable most. Thanks ….

]]> By: Wogu http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-4031 Wogu Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:03:16 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-4031 First how you can compare Ruby with PHP, its like comparing a PC with HDD, the one is a <b>compleat set of components</b> and the other only <b>a component</b>. Second its true that installing upgrading from one version of PHP to another is hard, but the upgrade from one ruby version to another is not an easy yob too. When we take PHP + Apache + Smary + PEAR we get something like Ruby on Rails. When I compare them 2, i can say only, when i get a problem in my PHP project i can seperate the problem, but whe it is in ruby....its a compeate desaster First how you can compare Ruby with PHP, its like comparing a PC with HDD, the one is a compleat set of components and the other only a component.
Second its true that installing upgrading from one version of PHP to another is hard, but the upgrade from one ruby version to another is not an easy yob too.
When we take PHP + Apache + Smary + PEAR we get something like Ruby on Rails.
When I compare them 2, i can say only, when i get a problem in my PHP project i can seperate the problem, but whe it is in ruby….its a compeate desaster

]]> By: c.blondel@ewerk.com http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-3993 c.blondel@ewerk.com Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:16:31 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-3993 Quoting 'SpongeBob' : "Thats wierd. I installed PHP by double-clicking on the "exe" file. Thats like 2 mouse clicks versus your 27 key presses. God Ruby takes so much work! PHP wins yet again." Being the admin responsible for running the webservers in a small IT company, I regrettably cannot share your experience...installing or upgrading PHP is a constant pain in the @$$ for me, because our programmers happen to be fond of many extensions. YaST has all the necessary modules in its repository, but well...it's SuSE :( Otoh the only Unix-like OS that served my needs PHP-wise, without having to compile it by hand is FreeBSD. On non-SuSE Linuces there's always this or that module that's not in the repository.....in comparison, with ruby/rails it's * <your-apt-flavor-goes-here> install ruby * Set the RUBYOPT envvar to 'rubygems' (if it's not already set bythe installer) * gem install rails * et voila. I compiled both PHP and Ruby by hand several times, and there Ruby is my big winner too. I remember with love (sarcasm added) the day I spent 5 hours trying to find out why the GD extension didn't activate JPEG support, even though there were no errors and all libraries were installed, only to find out that you need to explicitly set '--with-jpeg-dir=/usr/lib" _before_ you set --with-gd.....and that's not the only oddity I encountered in PHP-installation..... And why on earth does PHP4 insist on librpm-devel although php.net says that rpm support is only included in version 5 and then even probably only in CVS ???? Beats me. Oh, and on top of that PHP is PHP, and I simply don't like the language. Ruby is -next to LISP- the only language which is _beautiful_ in addition to being very powerful. Contrast that with the loads of horribly ugly code that abounds in php resources....but ok, there we get into subjective territory ;) Take care, Constantijn Blondel, Leipzig DE Quoting ‘SpongeBob’ :

“Thats wierd. I installed PHP by double-clicking on the “exe” file. Thats like 2 mouse clicks versus your 27 key presses. God Ruby takes so much work! PHP wins yet again.”

Being the admin responsible for running the webservers in a small IT company, I regrettably cannot share your experience…installing or upgrading PHP is a constant pain in the @$$ for me, because our programmers happen to be fond of many extensions. YaST has all the necessary modules in its repository, but well…it’s SuSE :( Otoh the only Unix-like OS that served my needs PHP-wise, without having to compile it by hand is FreeBSD. On non-SuSE Linuces there’s always this or that module that’s not in the repository…..in comparison, with ruby/rails it’s

* install ruby
* Set the RUBYOPT envvar to ‘rubygems’ (if it’s not already set bythe installer)
* gem install rails
* et voila.

I compiled both PHP and Ruby by hand several times, and there Ruby is my big winner too. I remember with love (sarcasm added) the day I spent 5 hours trying to find out why the GD extension didn’t activate JPEG support, even though there were no errors and all libraries were installed, only to find out that you need to explicitly set ‘–with-jpeg-dir=/usr/lib” _before_ you set –with-gd…..and that’s not the only oddity I encountered in PHP-installation…..

And why on earth does PHP4 insist on librpm-devel although php.net says that rpm support is only included in version 5 and then even probably only in CVS ???? Beats me.

Oh, and on top of that PHP is PHP, and I simply don’t like the language. Ruby is -next to LISP- the only language which is _beautiful_ in addition to being very powerful. Contrast that with the loads of horribly ugly code that abounds in php resources….but ok, there we get into subjective territory ;)
Take care, Constantijn Blondel, Leipzig DE

]]> By: nickesh http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-3776 nickesh Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:57:48 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-3776 hey, implement flood preventing on this site. I'm sorry, repeting my previous post was an accident... hey, implement flood preventing on this site.
I’m sorry, repeting my previous post was an accident…

]]> By: nickesh http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-3738 nickesh Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:53:43 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-3738 When it comes to installing PHP, I usually do it in a couple of minutes. I also try to install Ruby and RedRails for it - for 2 weeks... I agree, that comparing those two languages is senseless. PHP is destinated for web development only and it has realy huge arsenal of librarys, classes and rady-made scripts. In my opinion it's more flexible and the fact it has C-like syntax is very comfortable for me. Ruby has been used much extensively. Web solutions definitely arent't the only Ruby's destination, so it is realy hard to compare... Don't you think, this discussion leads to nowhere? (http://phplens.com/phpeverywhere/?q=node/view/222) When it comes to installing PHP, I usually do it in a couple of minutes. I also try to install Ruby and RedRails for it - for 2 weeks…

I agree, that comparing those two languages is senseless. PHP is destinated for web development only and it has realy huge arsenal of librarys, classes and rady-made scripts. In my opinion it’s more flexible and the fact it has C-like syntax is very comfortable for me.
Ruby has been used much extensively. Web solutions definitely arent’t the only Ruby’s destination, so it is realy hard to compare… Don’t you think, this discussion leads to nowhere?

(http://phplens.com/phpeverywhere/?q=node/view/222)

]]> By: nickesh http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-3737 nickesh Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:53:10 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-3737 When it comes to installing PHP, I usually do it in a couple of minutes. I also try to install Ruby and RedRails for it - for 2 weeks... I agree, that comparing those two languages is senseless. PHP is destinated for web development only and it has realy huge arsenal of librarys, classes and rady-made scripts. In my opinion it's more flexible and the fact it has C-like syntax is very comfortable for me. Ruby has been used much extensively. Web solutions definitely arent't the only Ruby's destination, so it is realy hard to compare... Don't you think, this discussion leads to nowhere? When it comes to installing PHP, I usually do it in a couple of minutes. I also try to install Ruby and RedRails for it - for 2 weeks…

I agree, that comparing those two languages is senseless. PHP is destinated for web development only and it has realy huge arsenal of librarys, classes and rady-made scripts. In my opinion it’s more flexible and the fact it has C-like syntax is very comfortable for me.
Ruby has been used much extensively. Web solutions definitely arent’t the only Ruby’s destination, so it is realy hard to compare… Don’t you think, this discussion leads to nowhere?

]]> By: nickesh http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-3736 nickesh Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:52:46 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-3736 When it comes to installing PHP, I usually do it in a couple of minutes. I also try to install Ruby and RedRails for it - for 2 weeks... I agree, that comparing those two languages is senseless. PHP is destinated for web development only and it has realy huge arsenal of librarys, classes and rady-made scripts. In my opinion it's more flexible and the fact it has C-like syntax is very comfortable for me. Ruby has been used much extensively. Web solutions definitely arent't the only Ruby's destination, so it is realy hard to compare... Don't you think, this discussion leads to nowhere? When it comes to installing PHP, I usually do it in a couple of minutes. I also try to install Ruby and RedRails for it - for 2 weeks…

I agree, that comparing those two languages is senseless. PHP is destinated for web development only and it has realy huge arsenal of librarys, classes and rady-made scripts. In my opinion it’s more flexible and the fact it has C-like syntax is very comfortable for me.
Ruby has been used much extensively. Web solutions definitely arent’t the only Ruby’s destination, so it is realy hard to compare… Don’t you think, this discussion leads to nowhere?

]]> By: Erik Allik http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-3501 Erik Allik Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:31:36 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-3501 Can't really compare Ruby and PHP either -- Ruby is a well-thought-out general purpose programming language/platform with support for anything from shell scripting and web applications to distributed computing, games programming, 3D and domain specific languages/metaprogramming. PHP is just a web application framework/language which is not even good in that (just OK). Some people just try to use it in areas it was not supposed to fit for. Can’t really compare Ruby and PHP either — Ruby is a well-thought-out general purpose programming language/platform with support for anything from shell scripting and web applications to distributed computing, games programming, 3D and domain specific languages/metaprogramming. PHP is just a web application framework/language which is not even good in that (just OK). Some people just try to use it in areas it was not supposed to fit for.

]]> By: hm http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs-ruby/comment-page-1/#comment-3438 hm Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:50:01 +0000 http://jaxn.org/article/2006/01/06/php-vs.-ruby/#comment-3438 from that post up there it looks like this site doesn't properly sanitize input from users. Remove all HTML and SQL code from the form before storing its data. from that post up there it looks like this site doesn’t properly sanitize input from users.

Remove all HTML and SQL code from the form before storing its data.

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